Trex.

Omar.

We are back with a dual episode of Iron Culture, and this episode has been in the making for

almost four years.

Yeah, we've been talking about it every week, you know, kind of continuing to put the

storyboard together and four years in, I think we're ready.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like, you know, Francis Ford Coppola recently released what he regards as Magnum Opus,

Megopolis, and it took just years and years he had to sell some of his wine company

in order to, you know, really fund the passion project he had.

And this is kind of similar because people might not be aware of this.

We've

mentioned it several times, both before Trex was an official host of Iron Culture when you'd be a guest,

but Trex moderated a pain science roundtable on my YouTube channel back when I was posting content

because it was a very popular topic, the whole idea,

pain narratives, catastrophizing pain. What does pain mean? In fact, it almost took us 40 minutes

to define that in that conversation. We had several different people on there. There's Dr. Mike

Isretel, Dr. Jordan Faganbaum, Dr. Eric Trexler. Also another, I am forgetting that. I think Dr. Derek, I want to say, there was,

there was another individual. I apologize. I sincerely apologize. But what ended up happening,

so I brought Trex on board because I wanted someone else to moderate in case, you know, they went

into the weeds when it comes to science, and then Treks having that requisite knowledge

can kind of rein it in if necessary. But Trex having that requisite knowledge can kind of rein

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