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🗓️ 19 February 2025
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This week, journalist and activist Rebecca Nagle joins us to discuss her debut book, By the Fire We Carry: The Generations-Long Fight for Justice on Native Land. We discuss her decision to expand her podcast, This Land, into a book, the deliberate erasure of Indigenous people in the United States, and how she approaches the idea of "objectivity" in journalism.
The Stacks Book Club pick for February is Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. We will discuss the book on February 26th with Ira Madison III returning as our guest.
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0:00.0 | we have this story as Americans that while we had some fundamental flaws, our country has gotten |
0:10.6 | better and we've been a country of progress. And we started with this amazing idea of all men |
0:17.0 | being created equal. And in each generation, we've sort of perfected that idea more and more and more. |
0:24.6 | Well, Native people don't fit into that story, right? |
0:27.5 | We don't fit into that story at all. |
0:29.0 | Because where is our Supreme Court decision ending our legal subordination? |
0:34.4 | Where's our constitutional amendment, you know? |
0:41.8 | No. subordination. Where's our constitutional amendment? You know? Welcome to the Stacks, a podcast about books and the people who read them. I'm your host, |
0:46.0 | Tracy Thomas, and today I am joined by Rebecca Nagel. Rebecca is a Cherokee writer, an activist, |
0:52.4 | known for her insightful reporting on Native issues and advocacy |
0:55.4 | for indigenous rights. Her latest book by The Fire We Carry, The Generations Long Fight for |
1:00.4 | Justice on Native Land, delves into the forced removal of Native Americans in the 1830s and the |
1:05.1 | pivotal 2020 Supreme Court case that reaffirmed Native land rights in Oklahoma. Today, Rebecca and I talk about how she |
1:12.2 | turned her podcast of this land into this very book. We talk about the history of erasure of |
1:17.3 | indigenous people in the United States, and we talk about what we can learn from this history in the |
1:22.0 | face of this current political moment. Don't forget, our February book club pick is Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. Ira Madison |
1:29.6 | 3rd will be back on Wednesday, February 26th to discuss the book with me. Be sure to read along |
1:34.6 | and tune in. Everything we talk about on each episode of The Stacks can be found in the link in the show |
1:39.4 | notes. And if you love this podcast and you want inside access to it, you can join the Stacks pack by going to patreon.com slash the stacks. |
1:47.5 | And or you could subscribe to my newsletter unstacked at tracytomis.substack.com by joining either or both of these communities, |
1:55.7 | you help make it possible for me to make this podcast every single week. And I'm still getting through the list |
2:01.4 | of folks who earn that shout out on the show. So huge thank you to the following people. |
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