Episode 101: En Sabah Nur (feat. Jonathan Hickman)

CEREBRO

Connor Goldsmith

Science Fiction, Arts, Books, Visual Arts, Fiction

4.8 • 815 Ratings

🗓️ 30 May 2023

⏱️ 217 minutes

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Summary

In Episode 101 of CEREBRO, the SEASON 4 PREMIERE, Connor and Head of X emeritus Jonathan Hickman extend a cautious hand to En Sabah Nur, the atrocious Apocalypse! Created by Louise Simonson, Walt Simonson, and Butch Guice as the central antagonist of 1986's X-Factor, the ancient immortal Apocalypse spent millennia worshiped by many names, secretly cultivating the mutant race.

After decades of publication in which the heroes fought his seemingly inevitable ascent to power — particularly when he took on the role of franchise big bad in the 90s — the Krakoan Age changed everything, with the character revolutionized by Hickman and his collaborator Tini Howard.

The CEREBRO character file on Apocalypse begins at 54:56.

(Content Advisory: Apocalypse's story includes slavery, genocide, suicide, torture, brainwashing, and involuntary body modification.)

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0:00.0	But then I had Apocalypse the 12.
0:02.4	I was going to ask about the 12th.
0:03.6	X-Men, X-Men.
0:06.8	In the 21st century, people mutants led by Magneto aimed to destroy the world.
0:15.6	Only hope is X-Men.
0:21.9	Welcome to Cerebro, the X-Men podcast, where a homo and his friends dig deep into the history of
0:27.4	Homo Superior. I'm your host, Connor Goldsmith. And with me today for the season
0:33.8	four premiere of Cerebro, episode 101, is a guest who requires no introduction to most comic fans.
0:40.4	I am here with Jonathan Hickman, one of the most celebrated creators in contemporary comics, writer of many great creator-owned things.
0:48.9	You should also look up if you haven't, like East of West, the current Three Worlds Three Moons Project on Substack and many, many more, but best known to Marvel fans for his seminal work on Fantastic Four Avengers
0:59.5	and most recently The X-Men. Soon he and Valerio Skiti will be launching the new series
1:05.1	Gods, G-O-D-S with periods in it, which is a very mysterious, ominous kind of book that appears to be dealing
1:12.4	with some of the deeper cosmic questions of the Marvel universe that have never been super
1:17.0	well defined. So I'm intrigued. Jonathan, how are you today? I'm great. I'm great. I have nothing
1:23.8	to complain about. Happy to be here. Well, thank you for doing this. I really appreciate it.
1:29.1	I know that interviews aren't your favorite thing in the world, but you've been very kind whenever
1:34.7	I've seen you at cons and whatnot. And Teeny said to me, you know, the thing I really want to hear
1:40.3	on your show is Jonathan talking about apocalypse. So I was excited to do it.
1:45.4	We are one month out now as of this recording from episode 100, the frankly insane marathon
1:52.4	episode that I recorded with Sarah Century on Madeline Pryor. I just want to thank everybody
1:57.0	for your kind words on that and add two things that somehow in the 18 hours we went in
2:03.1	that episode because it was episode 100 and we wanted to see just how long we could go. It was
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