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first time with Paul Gottfried. How are you doing, Paul? I'm doing well. Thank you. Thank you.

I wanted you to come on today and I wanted you to give everybody just basically a primer on what a

neoconservative actually is.

As we were talking before, we started recording, there are a lot of people who were referred to as neoconservatives, but they just may be allies of the neoconservatives.

So I'll just start with this first question.

Who would you point to as the atom of the neoconservative movement?

Yeah, you know, this is a debate that I used to have with my late friend, Murray Rothbard.

Like, who was the first neoconservative, I suppose?

It was like Samuel Johnson, you know, saying, you know, who was the first wig?

It was the devil or something like that., you know, saying, you know, who was the first wig? It was the devil,

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