I didn't recognize like the feelings of control until this meeting yes and sort of

the dismissiveness of when women were dealing with your periods and that was his

experience it was an older generation I don't he probably were we're dealing with your periods. And that was his experience.

It was an older generation.

I don't think he probably ever discussed these things

with his wife, right?

I mean, I don't know, but he sounded so uncomfortable,

but I didn't know the person that was in charge felt so embarrassed about these

or frustrated about these topics or an idea of keeping women covered that that

was any objective in the garment before.

Welcome to our bonus episode today

for at last she said it.

And we are just gonna talk for a few minutes with Afton, South, and there were a few things about the

garment that we specifically wanted to talk about with her that she had mentioned in meetings with some

leaders higher up in the church. So before we get to some of those specifics, I'm

just going to read a little bit of a blurb from the New York Times article where

Afton was quoted and we will put a link to that on our website and here's what it says in the

article.

Afton South and Parker, a mother of five who was raised in the church, has lived in Uganda and

Thailand where the garments felt especially stifling in the heat.

In furtive conversations with other women, she realized she was not alone.

Everybody I talked to was getting some kind of rash or infection, she said. The

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