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Weird Studies

Episode 141: Actual Magic: On Ramsey Dukes' SSOTBME

Weird Studies

Phil Ford and J. F. Martel

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.8688 Ratings

🗓️ 28 February 2023

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Summary

Ramsey Dukes, also known by his real name of Lionel Snell, may be one of the most important thinkers on magic since Aleister Crowley. In the impishly-titled Sex Secrets of the Black Magicians Exposed (or SSOTBME for short), Dukes accomplishes something few writers on the topic have been able to do: he gives us magic without asking us to sacrifice anything that makes us sensible modern people. He makes magic seem like the most obvious thing in the world, and he does it without taking away any of its, well, magic. How he does it and what it means are questions that would take several episodes to unpack. In this one, Phil and JF begin the work by discussing how Dukes situates magic in an epistemic compass that also includes science, art, and religion. This set of tools is as essential to a holistic view of reality as the four suits in a deck of cards are essential to a proper poker game. In other words, when we lose magic, we lose a way of dealing with reality. Sign up for JF's upcoming course on Macbeth Support us on Patreon and gain access to Phil's ongoing podcast on Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle. Listen to volume 1 and volume 2 of the Weird Studies soundtrack by Pierre-Yves Martel Find us on Discord Get the T-shirt design from Cotton Bureau! Get your Weird Studies merchandise (t-shirts, coffee mugs, etc.) Visit the Weird Studies Bookshop REFERENCES David Lynch (dir.), Mulholland Drive Ramsey Dukes, SSOTBME Slavoj Žižek, The Pervert’s Guide to Cinema C. P. Snow, The Two Cultures Weird Studies, Episode 139 on Art Power Marshall McLuhan, Gutenberg Galaxy “Virtual” and “Actual”, as developed by Bergson and Deleuze Pragmatism, philosophical school Jack Parsons, American rocket scientist Mircea Eliade, The Myth of the Eternal Return William Shakespeare, Macbeth Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Spectrevision Radio

0:03.3

Welcome to Weird Studies, an arts and philosophy podcast with hosts Phil Ford and J.F. Martel.

0:20.8

For more episodes or to support the podcast,

0:23.3

go to weirdst. This is J.F.

0:53.6

They say miracles are past, and we have our philosophical persons to make modern and familiar things supernatural and causeless.

1:02.3

Hence it is that we make trifles of terrors, ensconcing ourselves into seeming knowledge when we should submit ourselves to an unknown fear.

1:11.4

These aren't the words of H.P. Lovecraft, but of William Shakespeare, who wrote them

1:15.9

around the year 1600. By philosophical persons, Shakespeare meant something like what we late

1:21.8

moderns would call scientists, people who explain reality on the assumption that everything

1:27.0

in it locks into an airtight system of cause and effect.

1:31.2

Find the cause and you dispel the appearance of miracle and wonder.

1:35.2

You make the incredible, modern, and familiar.

1:39.2

Ironically, the Aristotelian operating system that most scientists use in Shakespeare's day seems to us now

1:46.1

as shot through with occult forces as the superstitions that fought against.

1:51.0

That's what makes these lines from All's Well that ends well so interesting.

1:54.9

Shakespeare isn't telling us that we need a better system, one that's more quote-unquote enchanted.

2:02.5

He is saying that under a certain weird aspect, reality is impervious to all system thinking, that there is something so strange

2:09.5

in the real, that the only truly rational response to it is wonder and fear. We're talking about

2:15.9

magic, of course, and nowhere in modern literature is magic

2:19.6

more bravely champion than in Shakespeare's plays, first and foremost his darkest and weirdest

2:25.2

the tragedy of Macbeth. Macbeth is about many things, time, fate, madness, modernity, the death

2:32.2

of God, the mystery of evil, but all these are apprehended

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