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Weird Studies

Episode 149: Song Swap: On Judee Sill's 'The Kiss' and Wilco's 'Jesus, Etc.'

Weird Studies

Phil Ford and J. F. Martel

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.8688 Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2023

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Summary

Occasionally, JF and Phil do a song swap. Each host chooses a song he loves and shares it with the other, and then they record an episode on it. This time, JF chose to discuss "Jesus, Etc." from Wilco's 2001 album, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, and Phil picked Judee Sill's ethereal "The Kiss," from Heart Food (1973). It was in the zone of Time, in all its strangeness, that the two songs began to resonate with one another. Sill's song is a fated grasping at the eternal that is present even when it eludes us, and "Jesus, Etc." is a leap across time that captures, in jagged shards and signal bursts, the events of the day on which Wilco's album was scheduled to drop: September 11, 2001. Support us on Patreon and gain access to Phil's podcast on Wagner's Ring Cycle. Listen to Meredith Michael and Gabriel Lubell's podcast, Cosmophonia. Download Pierre-Yves Martel's new album, Mer Bleue. Visit the Weird Studies Bookshop Find us on Discord Get the T-shirt design from Cotton Bureau! REFERENCES Judee Sill, “The Kiss” James Elkins, Pictures and Tears Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys, “Surf’s Up” Weird Studies, Episode 148 on “Twin Peaks” Wilco, “Jesus Etc.” Jeff Buckley, singer-songwriter William Gibson, Forward to Dhalgren L. E. J. Brouwer, Concept of “two-ity” Dogen, Genjokoan David Bowie, “Heroes” Philip K. Dick, Valis Weird Studies, Episode 147 “You Must Change Your Life” Theodore Adorno, Aesthetic Theory James Longley, Iraq in Fragments Sam Jones, I am Trying to Break your Heart Number Stations Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Spectrevision Radio

0:03.3

Welcome to Weird Studies, an arts and philosophy podcast with hosts Phil Ford and J.F. Martel.

0:20.8

For more episodes or to support the podcast,

0:23.3

go to weirdst. This is J.F.

0:53.0

Time for another song swap, where Phil and I select songs containing a soupsone of the weird and record an episode on them.

1:00.5

We've done this a few times over the years, and it's always been a lot of fun.

1:04.3

For this episode, Phil chose Judy Sills The Kiss from her 1973 album Heart Food,

1:10.5

and I went with Jesus, etc. from Wilco's Yankee

1:13.1

Hotel Foxtrot released in 2001, but to be honest, my plan was to use the song as a

1:18.5

synectady for the record as a whole. It's on the subject of time that we found resonance

1:23.9

between these otherwise very different tracks. That makes some sense, because all music

1:29.0

does strange things to time, don't you think? I was hard at work preparing this intro when our

1:33.8

assistant Meredith posted something on our private server that perfectly encapsulated what I was

1:38.5

trying to say about music and its strange relationship to temporality. So, instead of rambling as I usually do, I'm going to read

1:45.8

what she wrote. In her post, Meredith is talking about the science fiction novel Last and First

1:50.9

Men, the screen adaptation of which was the focus of episode 142. When she mentions the third

1:58.0

men, she's referring to the Third in a litany of future civilizations

2:02.3

described in the novel.

2:04.3

Quote, I'm finally getting around to reading Last and First Men, and there's a part that

2:09.4

was very reminiscent of Phil's description of parochronic time.

2:13.6

It's an episode from the Third Men, where a religion of music is developed and then becomes a kind of crazy tyrannical state religion.

2:21.1

It starts with the observation, quote, it seemed to them that when men and women listen to great music, the barriers of their individuality were broken down, so that they became one soul through communion with the music, end quote.

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