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When someone is murdered, most of us don't like to think about the details of the how.

Closed casket funerals usually speak directly to that.

We avoid dark thoughts and focus on happier memories of the victim.

That's because the average person doesn't handle the how of a murder very well.

It's overwhelming.

But there are some people who study the how.

These people can handle the details of a disturbing death.

Every day, they practice what some could call the art of detachment.

Detachment happens in their mind and heart, separating their emotions from their employment.

They do it to clearly see all that they possibly can and determine the sequence of events that led to a slaying.

In today's season finale of Dark arenas, I'm sitting down with nationally recognized crime scene assessment expert Patrick Zerpoly.

From the moment Patrick Zerpoly crossed through the door of the AudioChuck offices in Indiana, he looked exactly like Ashley Flowers had described him to me.

He's middle-aged and just thinking about what to do.

He's just thinking about what to do.

From the moment Patrick Zerpoly crossed through the door of the AudioChuck offices in Indiana,

he looked exactly like Ashley Flowers had described him to me.

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