meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Weird Studies

Episode 158: As Above, So Below: On Plato's 'Timaeus'

Weird Studies

Phil Ford and J. F. Martel

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.8688 Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2023

⏱️ 97 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

In this episode of Weird Studies, we delve into the mysterious depths of Plato's Timaeus, one of the foundational texts of our civilization. In his characteristic brilliance, Plato blends cosmology and metaphysics, anatomy and politics to tell a creation story that rivals the most fantastical mythologies, yet he does it while remaining grounded in a philosophical rigor that announces a radically new way of thinking the world. Here, Phil and JF try unravel the layers of the dialogue, revealing how Plato's vision of a divinely ordered cosmos echoes through the corridors of esoteric thought from antiquity to modern times. Support us on Patreon. Buy the Weird Studies sountrack, volumes 1 and 2, on Pierre-Yves Martel's Bandcamp page. Listen to Meredith Michael and Gabriel Lubell's podcast, Cosmophonia. Visit the Weird Studies Bookshop Find us on Discord Get the T-shirt design from Cotton Bureau! REFERENCES Plato, [Timaeus](https://hackettpublishing.com/history/history-of-science/timaeus](Donald Zeyl Edition) Earl Fontenelle, The Secret History of Western Esotericism Podcast The Book of Thoth Graham Hancock, British journalist Hesiod, Theogony Hermes Trismegistus, {Emerald Tablet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Tablet) Pierre Hadot,, scholar of classical philosophy Eugene Wigner, “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences” Jean-Pierre Vernant, The Origins of Greek Thought Lionel Snell, SSOTBME Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Spectrevision Radio

0:02.0

Welcome to Weird Studies, an arts and philosophy podcast with hosts Phil Ford and J.F. Martel.

0:20.0

For more episodes, or to support the podcast,

0:23.3

go to weirdst. This is J.F.

0:53.6

In the dappled light of an Athenian morning, some two

0:56.8

and a half thousand years ago, a story was told, one that would weave itself into the very

1:02.0

fabric of our understanding of the cosmos. The storyteller wasn't a poet or priest, but a philosopher,

1:09.6

a new kind of creator whose task lay somewhere between

1:12.3

those or the other two. Today we're diving into the platonic deep end by tackling this story,

1:19.0

the Temaeus, a text that stands not merely as a monolith of philosophical thought, but also,

1:25.1

and more importantly, I think, as a masterpiece of the speculative imagination.

1:30.4

In this dialogue, Plato gives us a creation story as metaphysical as it is cosmic, as biological

1:36.9

as it is ethical, even political. On the surface, the story resembles the mythological narratives

1:43.8

that came before it, but there's a

1:45.9

difference. Whereas the old theogonists like Hesiod and the Orphix spun tales of divine dynasties

1:53.3

vying for dominance over the monstrous powers of the primordial world, Plato subjects his

1:59.3

creator god, the demiurge or craftsman, to laws, transcendent

2:04.2

laws, which, while the human intellect can discern them unaided, are as binding for the

2:09.6

gods as they are for us.

2:12.9

Now there's no question that in many of its parts, and there are many parts, the Tameas will strike the typical

2:18.4

modern mind as an absolutely bonkers text. The idea that the universe is a living organism,

2:24.9

of which the human body is an imperfect reflection put together by fumbling godlings, will be

...

Transcript will be available on the free plan in -492 days. Upgrade to see the full transcript now.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Phil Ford and J. F. Martel, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of Phil Ford and J. F. Martel and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.