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Episode 164 — Valuing Value Chains

Exponent

Ben Thompson / James Allworth

Technology

4.6 • 832 Ratings

🗓️ 1 March 2019

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Ben and James discuss Amazon, Walmart, and groceries, Google Cloud versus AWS, and why understanding value chains helps evaluate business opportunities. Links Ben Thompson: The Value Chain Constraint — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Walmart’s Earnings, Walmart’s Grocery Business, Amazon’s Grocery Stumbles — Stratechery Daily Update Ben Thompson: Amazon the Black Swan — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Amazon’s New Customer — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Walmart and the Multichannel Trap — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Google Cloud Changes CEOs, Layers of Surprise (or Not), The VMWare Analogy — Stratechery Ben Thompson: The Amazon Tax — Stratechery Ben Thompson: Venture Capital and the Internet’s Impact — … Continue reading Episode 164 — Valuing Value Chains

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0:00.0

Hi, James. Ben, how are you? I am doing okay. How are you? I'm pretty good. I must confess,

0:06.6

I am still jet lag from that trip to Singapore, which was fantastic, but it's a 17-hour flight.

0:13.0

It is the longest I've spent on a plane, and it's flying pretty much east-west, and I went through

0:18.3

a bunch of timesones. I have never had this problem persist

0:21.5

to this long. So if I am a little sleepy on this podcast, well, yeah, you might have to wake me up a

0:27.6

couple of times. Let's see how we go. Well, I would just make two points. One, welcome to getting old.

0:33.1

And two, you know, thanks for accepting blame for us not having a podcast last week. Yeah. I appreciate that.

0:39.3

I will take one for the team. No, no, no. It was actually my fault. We did that podcast. You were ready to

0:43.6

power through. You are the trooper in this relationship. I have to give you full credits. I'm the one that

0:47.6

declined. But we are here. We are here with a very large topic to discuss. Yeah, you certainly this week did not bite off a small topic.

0:55.8

I will definitely grant you that. It was actually a multi-part bite-off. I was thinking a lot about

1:00.3

the sort of Amazon Walmart grocery angle. I think about all weekend. I kind of want to write a

1:04.2

big piece about it and just wasn't really quite coming together. But I felt that specific point was

1:08.8

worth highlighting. So I wrote about on Monday.

1:13.7

And then I went back to say about some more. I'm like, you know, actually, I know the bigger point I'm trying to make. So I kind of wrote it again on Tuesday. So my appreciation to all the

1:18.7

subscribers for being sort of beta testers, or at least the early version of the idea that I was going

1:23.6

for. It's a big idea. I'm looking forward to exploring it. So I started out in this article,

1:28.2

and I think it's a good place to start this discussion with when Amazon bought Whole Foods back in

1:32.6

June of 2017. At the time, there was sort of like widespread panic. You know, like I put that graph

1:38.1

in the article about how all the grocery stocks sort of plummeted. And actually, a lot of them have

1:42.2

not really returned to the levels they were at. But even still, there was, you know, the sense that Amazon, big bad Amazon that

1:48.1

sort of dominates all these categories and nichters is coming to this market. Quite clearly,

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