Episode 171 — An Intra-west Debate

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Ben Thompson / James Allworth

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4.6 • 832 Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2019

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Ben and James discuss the U.S.-China trade war and the fundamental issues facing both countries generally and tech specifically. Links Ben Thompson: China, Leverage, and Values — Stratechery We Were Pirates, Too — Foreign Policy How China Uses High-Tech Surveillance to Subdue Minorities — New York Times Ben Thompson: The Pollyannish Assumption — Stratechery Ben Thompson: More on Values (and Facebook) — Stratechery Daily Update Ben Thompson: Open, Closed, and Privacy — Stratechery Hosts Ben Thompson, @benthompson, Stratechery James Allworth, @jamesallworth, Harvard Business Review Podcast Information Feed iTunes SoundCloud Twitter Feedback

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0:00.0	Hi, James. Ben, how are you? I'm sorry. I am apologetic. Last week, we did not have a podcast because I just did not feel ready to podcast. It was a complete absence of powering through. It was anti-powering through. I have fully killed and buried the powering through idea and I take full responsibility.
0:18.0	Yep. Stop apologizing. It is fine. Everybody has weeks like that.
0:22.1	I think what matters much more is we are here right now.
0:25.6	We are.
0:26.4	And we are talking about something that, frankly, I think is a huge deal.
0:30.4	I think it's a massive deal that being the U.S.
0:32.8	and China trade war.
0:34.0	I think we're going to start with a sort of a narrow perspective about what's going on, but then back out, because I think there's much bigger things going on here that are important
0:42.5	and worth getting into. And it's going to be one of those episodes that I really believe,
0:47.3	you know, we jump ahead 30, 40 years. This is going to be one of the things that we look back at
0:51.3	and it really mattered. And, you know, I've been writing about
0:54.7	it a fair bit in the Daily Update in particular for several years now. I think right after Trump was
0:59.0	elected, I said this is going to be sort of a big deal. But this is the first sort of weekly
1:03.5	article I've done about it. And I think what I hope we get into is I think this is something that's
1:07.9	bigger than Trump. It's something that goes back for quite a while.
1:11.5	Yeah, I think tech's on the pointy end of it too. I think in terms of your assessment about like when
1:16.6	people look back, the tech eating the world and this are going to be the two big things they look at.
1:22.5	I 100% agree with you. I'm looking forward to getting into it. It's probably going to involve
1:28.5	us criticizing some other governments that are not our own. But I think I feel okay with that
1:35.2	given in the last little while I've been criticizing the Australian government. I think you've
1:40.2	actually been joining me. And I think that's probably true for both of us of the American government
1:44.1	too. So this isn't medicine. Yeah, to say the least. Yeah, this isn't medicine.
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