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Weird Studies

Episode 177: Riddles in the Dark: On Fairy Tales, Interpretation, and 'Rapunzel'

Weird Studies

Phil Ford and J. F. Martel

Society & Culture, Arts, Philosophy

4.8688 Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2024

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

Fairy tales are among the most familiar cultural objects, so familiar that we let our kids play with them unsupervised. At the same time, they are also the most mysterious of artifacts, their heimlich giving way to unheimlich as soon as we give them a closer look and ask ourselves what they are really about. Indeed, these imaginal nomads, which seem to evade all cultural and historical capture, existing in various forms in every time and place, can become so strange as to make us wonder if they are cultural at all, and not some unexplained force of nature — the dreaming of the world. In this episode, JF and Phil use "Rapunzel" as a case study to explore the weirdness of fairy tales, illustrating how they demand interpretation without ever allowing themselves to be explained. Sign up for the upcoming course "Writing at the Wellspring" October 22-December 1 with Dr. Matt Cardin on Weirdosphere.org Support us on Patreon. Buy the Weird Studies soundtrack, volumes 1 and 2, on Pierre-Yves Martel's Bandcamp page. Listen to Meredith Michael and Gabriel Lubell's podcast, Cosmophonia. Visit the Weird Studies Bookshop Find us on Discord Get the T-shirt design from Cotton Bureau! SHOW NOTES Walter Benjamin, "The Storyteller" in Illuminations (Hannah Arendt, ed.; Harryn Zohn, trans.). Novalis, Philosophical Writings. (Margaret Mahony Stoljar, trans.). Cristina Campo, The Unforgivable and Other Writings (Alex Andriesse, trans.) William Irwin Thompson, Imaginary Landscape Bruno Bettelheim, The Uses of Enchantment Marie-Louise von Franz,, Swiss Jungian psychologist Sesame Street, “Rapunzel Rescue” Disney’s Tangled The Annotated Brothers Grimm Aarne-Thompson-Uther Index Marina Warner, Once Upon a Time W. A. Mozart, The Magic Flute Dante Alighieri, Il Convito Panspermia hypothesis Gregory Bateson, Mind and Nature John Mitchell, Confessions of a Radical Traditionalist Clint Eastwood (dir.) The Unforgiven Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Spector Vision Radio

0:03.0

So I'm sitting here in Phil's house in Bloomington, Indiana.

0:12.6

Just got here today.

0:13.7

We're doing a live show tonight.

0:15.4

We're doing a live show tomorrow night, but for you, listeners, it will be tonight.

0:19.7

I mentioned that in the intro.

0:21.2

But one thing we did not want to drop this show without mentioning is Matt Cardin.

0:27.1

Matt Cardin's upcoming course.

0:29.0

That's right.

0:30.2

His course, writing at the Wellspring.

0:32.5

And that is a course that has wanted to come into existence now for years.

0:39.3

It's been hanging out in the pleroma as a pure potentiality waiting to unfurl into the material cosmos.

0:47.3

All it needed was weirdosphere.

0:49.3

Yeah.

0:50.3

And now here it is bursting into manifestation.

0:56.9

Convulsing and dripping with slime.

1:01.0

Matt Cardin is merely the midwife of this strange birth.

1:04.4

No, he's actually the mind behind it all.

1:08.8

No, he's like the insurance fraud investigator.

1:09.7

Right.

1:14.1

And in the mouth of madness, which is the film we're talking about at the IUC cinema tomorrow,

1:20.9

who learns too late that he is only a cat's paw of cosmic forces he can scarcely even comprehend.

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