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Hello, and welcome to yet another episode of The Lines Led by Donkey's Podcast. I am Joe,

and with me today is Robert Evans, host of Behind the Bastards, and I have lost track of how many other

things are currently doing. What's up? Yeah, it's too many fucking podcasts, Joe. I'm into a bad

podcasting loop fell off the wagon real hard. How long can this grip possibly keep going?

I don't know. I hope long enough for me to have shuffled this mortal coil and not have

to worry about finding a job again. Yeah, another way to make a living. I mean, I've been through like,

this is like my third or fourth media career basically. They've all been related in some way,

but I'm just like, I live under the expectation that everything I get good at will eventually

collapse in profitability due to some Google or Facebook mother fucker making a decision.

It's cool. It's fun to, it's like being a mouse in the age of dinosaurs, where something might

just sit down on you. It's good stuff. It's a good way to make a living.

And yeah, you also know about the pains of being an author and the age of e-books

dominating everything. It's like, yeah, I sold 100,000 copies. I import.

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