Episode 182: The Harder the Better | A Conversation with Valerie Hamaker

At Last She Said It

Cynthia Winward

Religion & Spirituality, Feminism, Motherhood, Ldswomen, Spirituality, Lds, Thechurchofjesuschristoflatterdaysaints, Mormonwomen, Religion, Marriage, Mormon, Faith

5 • 900 Ratings

🗓️ 21 May 2024

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

Does devotion always require walking uphill? What’s the difference between good-hard and bad-hard? Do some Church members see the difficulty of a thing as a measure of the righteousness it requires? Has “more suffering and sacrifice” somehow come to mean “higher and holier” in the LDS narrative? In Episode 182, Valerie Hamaker of Latter-day Struggles podcast joins Susan and Cynthia to discuss these questions and more as they unpack the notion that harder is better when it comes to living our faith.

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0:00.0	When we are doing the bad hard, when we are taking in how I need to behave, how I need to be long, how I need to comply. The force or the engine that is driving
0:17.2	that is fear. Good hard is driven by love, ownership, bad Hard is driven by fear.
0:27.0	I like that distinction.
0:29.0	And probably shame, the shame of I'm not good enough unless I help you.
0:33.0	Mm-hmm.
0:35.0	Mm-hmm.
0:36.0	Hi, I'm Susan Hinkley.
0:41.0	And I am Cynthia Wynward.
0:43.0	And this is at last she said it.
0:45.0	We are women of faith discussing complicated things.
0:48.0	And the title of today's episode is The Harder the Better.
0:52.0	It's a special episode today Cynthia. It is but that title makes
0:57.5	me not think it's so special. I don't know. Okay but the special part is that we've
1:01.6	got Valerie Hamaker with us. Hi Valerie
1:04.3	Hello, how are you both doing today?
1:07.1	Wonderful. We're excited to be recording with you. We've been talking about this pretty much like since the beginning of
1:13.6	podcast history so it's we're excited that it's finally happening.
1:18.4	It's a good topic I have a lot of thoughts on this because we're so good at making things hard as women of
1:25.8	the earliest church I'm afraid we are we are and also Susan and I have been kicking around the idea of having an episode called the
1:36.5	harder the better but we were like we need a therapist to come on because I feel like we kind of would get to the threshold of an idea of like what's the solution and we're like we need someone really smart who's trained in this and so we might be deferring to you
1:55.0	for being our expert today.
1:56.0	Well, I am, I'm really grateful to be here and when we started talking about this topic,
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