Hi, James. Ben, how are you? Clearly out of practice. I'm nervous, or I was nervous, actually. I was much more nervous the first time around, and this is our second time around because the first time wasn't going so well.

We have not podcasts in a while, And yeah, you fall out of practice.

Rusty.

Yes.

But good to talk to you.

This was my bat signal.

I reached out to you saying that we should talk.

I do have to express consternation with exalted fans.

One, I love you.

I appreciate you're still around.

But do always blame me for when we don't record.

It is a mutual decision here, just to be clear. It is a mutual decision. In fact, the reason we

haven't been recording is almost like an underlying, well, an input almost into this podcast, I feel

like, which is, for both of us for a little while,

it's just felt that tech hasn't been so compelling to talk about. There's nothing, whereas

before I would get on here with fire in the belly ready to go on some of these topics,

like, it just seems to have shifted a bit, you know?

Yeah, and it's funny because I think I probably really started to feel this when we first

paused Exponent a couple years ago.

And that one actually might have been more my responsibility than yours, to be honest.

But it was because there's something about a podcast where you're talking for an hour, right?

And you're, you know, you start to feel like you're repeating yourself a little bit.

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