Many of us have lost a loved one or friend, but talking about the end of life can be hard.

On the Marie-Kiri couch is a podcast where each month I talk with a well-known guest about their experience of grief, including Jason Isaacs.

Even when people are dying obviously in front of you and you know how it's going to end.

It still shocks you.

Alison Stedman.

I still cry for my mum all the time.

And Adam Buxton.

Your relationships are tested in ways that you never really considered.

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Music Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

I'm Dory Schaeffreier.

And I'm Elise Hugh, and we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Welcome back. Welcome back to the show.

We have a great show for you today. We do. We're so excited you're here. We are helping welcome new listeners to the show because I learned that this is one of the tricks of Mel Robbins,

who has now surpassed Joe

Rogan in the podcast listener rankings. And one of the things she does really well is welcome

new listeners. And so, hello, this is a full-length Monday episode where we interview someone

of note or lots of writers, you know, lots of other luminaries. Like we do

musicians and comedians, but often a lot of writers. And today we're going to have a great

writer on the show named Annie Hartnett, who we will introduce after we catch up because we

have some catching up to do. We do. You know, we, well, Elise, you just pointed out that we

have not like fully discussed your daughter's middle school dance that you. First middle school dance.

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