During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the internet.

We still need highways and water lines, but we also need communications lines that can allow us to take advantage of the high performance computers.

I had the exciting opportunity to get to know some of the scientists and engineers that were working on it back then

and they shared with me their expectations that could very well grow into a much bigger thing that it was back in those days. So, All right. Hello, Faithful. We're back again for another episode of Bad Faith

podcast. This week I've brought you a little bit of something new, a little

departure from some of the global politics that have been the focus of so much

coverage over the last few months.

Today we're talking to Matthew Crane, he's an associate professor of media and communication

at Miami University. He is also the author of Prophet

Over Privacy House Surveillance Advertising Concord,

the internet.

Welcome to the podcast, Professor Crane.

Thank you so much.

We're happy to have a conversation today.

So I have told you this and I will ask the audience that the way that I came across

your name first is that I was listening to an episode of Chris Hayes's podcast and he was speaking to the head of

Signal about various surveillance issues what she made of the Tik-Tok ban and she

was speaking in a really interesting way about the early history of the

internet and how we got to a place where monetizing surveillance is the key profit driver of

so many internet companies

and ways that has affected detrimentally

in many people's view are privacy rights

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