We both either lost or in danger of losing jobs, but because we're black, we have lots of jobs.

So we're just working in our other jobs.

But I think we talked about this when Claudine Gay went up in front.

So our president was called in front of that committee.

I received, it wasn't technically a subpoena, but like I do not preserve documents, do not destroy anything.

And I was under a lot of fear that I was going to be brought up at this hearing and potentially

to lose my job at that hearing because another black queer person at Columbia University

had been basically fired on the air by the president of their university when asked about

him and just told them, yeah, he's not going to ever teach her again.

And he was deported just days later because he wasn't a U.S. citizen.

He was dependent on.

So that hearing came.

I was called one of the goons by Representative Jim Banks, which I took great offense to because...

One of the goons.

One of the goons.

He showed a picture of us standing in front of the students and he he asked the press they said let me ask you

about stephen thrasher he's one of the goons who are keeping the police from doing their work which

i felt really chilling obviously i'm personally implicated but even beyond beyond that, taking myself out of the equation,

the idea that the police are there to do work and their work is being interrupted.

Yeah, the work of manhandling the students, ousting them from the camp? I mean, what is the work?

The work is to manufacture the consent. But at the time, the students weren't breaking.

They've changed the rules retroactive. They've tried to go after them retroactively know, at the time, the students weren't breaking, they've changed the rules retroactive. They've tried to, you know, go after them retroactively. But at the time,

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