I think what's funny is that when we approached this, we knew we were going to do a few episodes, a couple episodes on this.

Because we're like, oh, this is kind of a big story.

But it was like, oh, it's kind of like a, you know, one of our turn-on true crime stories, right?

That's what we kind of thought going into it.

We were like, oh, it's a kind of story about the sort of unsolved murder of this Italian journalist and our cameraman in the 90s.

And in the background, you know, we're going to talk a little bit about Somalia and interventions and, you know, kind of a traditional sort of true and on take

on a true crime style narrative.

Yeah, like a core, whatever, event that we kind of like go off and slightly different

directions around, but like kind of bring it in in like a narrative arc that lets us

talk about some of our favorite subjects.

And then we started to get into it.

And that's not what this story is.

No, unfortunately, this story has ruined my life.

It has ruined, with no exaggeration

the vast majority of my time

for the past

however fucking long we've been looking at this

I stayed up

very late working on this

the other day I just was from the second

I woke up to the second I went to bed just worked on this and it other day I just was from the second I woke up

to the second I went to bed

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