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🗓️ 16 December 2024
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Princeton Professor and Civil War-era historian Matt Karp returns to Bad Faith to discuss how a third party won the White House by fighting for the ethical issue of the time: Slavery. How did Republicans break the duopoly to become a major party, and what lessons can the contemporary left learn from a historical example of a successful American third party? Also, Matt and Brie discuss the 2024 election, the post-Bernie moment, and what's next for the left.
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0:00.0 | My point of caution would be, one, the slavery question. I'm not sure that the sort of contemporary |
0:05.5 | left has anything like the focus or the capacity to link. The way that the Republicans, in fact, |
0:11.1 | went from 5%. Because sure, our left-wing party today could maybe a really successful one, |
0:15.7 | in some context, could win 5%. But that doesn't get us very far. The way that they went from |
0:20.4 | 5% to winning |
0:21.5 | in pluralities in the North was by connecting this moral issue, which wasn't, which, yes, I think |
0:27.0 | summoning the sort of sleeping masses around the moral issue, but also connecting that moral |
0:32.3 | issue to the self-interest and the sort of felt needs of these workers, of these voters. So to find that issue today, |
0:40.1 | it's not just general resistance to the status quo on 70 years. It's not health care? Yeah. |
0:45.6 | Well, I mean. People are trying to fill the commissary of this Luigi Mangione fellow. |
0:51.1 | Prisoners are shouting from the windows of their prison, hey, improve Luigi Mangione's |
0:56.4 | conditions. |
0:57.9 | Here's Morgan is melting down on the idea of this being a left issue. |
1:01.0 | I was just on there yesterday. |
1:02.4 | And then he played a clip of Joe Rogan talking about it. |
1:05.3 | And he had the exact same take I did. |
1:06.8 | And they were all like, for Clems didn't know what to do with themselves. That's the other thing, Bree, is that when the Republican Party did come into existence, |
1:14.4 | about a quarter or more in some states of its supporters were not just these progressive wigs |
1:21.3 | who'd finally sort of gotten with it or finally had a chance to vote for the anti-slavery party |
1:25.7 | they had been wanting to vote for for a long time, |
1:27.7 | which I think was true in some places that were Western Massachusetts or in upstate New York or in the |
1:32.9 | Western Reserve, Ohio, where people were really red-hot against slavery. But there were also a lot of |
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