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Episode 441 Promo - TikTok On The Clock But The Party Don't Stop (w/ Jessica Burbank & James Li)

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🗓️ 20 January 2025

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Two top leftist TikTokers Jessica Burbank & James Li join Bad Faith to offer their perspective on the app's potential ban, the RedNote phenomenon, whether the left is too sanguine about Chinese censorship, and what makes TikTok, well, tick.

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Produced by Armand Aviram.

Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands).

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0:00.0

In terms of a new purchaser of TikTok, there were months and months of people just slandering the app

0:07.7

as a horrible online destination. They harvest your data. It's addictive. It rots your brain.

0:14.0

And I mean, some of this was placed by Facebook's parent company meta. There was a report in the

0:20.2

Washington Post where internal emails got

0:22.6

leaked from targeted victory, which was a firm that placed op-eds that made TikTok seem just really

0:29.1

horrible. And so all of these big tech companies in the United States made TikTok the enemy,

0:36.6

the number one bad guy. Who wants to buy that app and run that app?

0:41.0

I think that the content recommendation algorithm, the way it was talked about in the bill,

0:48.1

made it unclear if the new purchaser could retain that intellectual property, especially if it

0:53.9

was still being used by

0:54.8

ByteDance, which I doubt ByteDance would part with that source code in a meaningful way.

1:00.0

So it would be a huge legal fight for whoever ultimately would buy the app as to what they could

1:05.3

actually own, how much it costed, and what does an actual divestiture look like with this bill that's written in a way

1:14.6

that is simultaneously broad and restrictive. And so I think it's a legal nightmare that many people

1:21.9

are like, this is not a worthwhile investment. It has to be someone buying it for almost ideological reasons rather than to make a chunk of

1:30.5

change. Yeah, did you see, I don't know anything about this person, this Kevin O'Leary, who apparently

1:35.6

put forward a $20 billion TikTok cash offer as of today. He is an entrepreneur from Shark Tank. It's not a show that I watch, but I guess

1:46.4

now that I'm looking at his photograph, he does look kind of familiar. Does that feel like a real

1:49.7

thing to you? Do we know anything about his politics? Is he ideologically sort of what,

1:54.8

conservative coded, Trump coded at all? To me, he's more coded on the conservative side of things.

2:00.8

I think he's more of like it's just a free market capitalist kind of guy.

2:03.6

But from what I understand about that deal is that he is only buying TikTok in terms of the IP of the branding itself.

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