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🗓️ 3 February 2025
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Sometimes there's an interview that brings radical clarity about the current moment. Professor Anita Say Chan's book Predatory Data: Eugenics in Big Tech & Our Fight for an Independent Future ties Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and the tech billionaires empowered under Trump to eugenics movement of the 19th and 20th centuries with chilling specificity. She offers two key insights: first, that the focus on "merit" is an effort to convince Americans to give up democracy (in which everyone gets a vote/say/rights on the basis of their humanity) in favor of a system where various characteristics (such as IQ/race) "qualify" one for human rights. Second, she argues that by claiming only they (and their individual genius) can save the world, tech giants are persuading Americans that government should shrink to a "benevolent autocracy" where the rich rule. As Peter Thiel has said, "I no longer believe that freedom and Democracy are compatible." Seen through the lens of the eugenics movement, the end goals become shockingly clear, as does the role the left must play.
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0:00.0 | I think that discussions of racism prejudice are sometimes done a disservice by not sufficiently |
0:08.4 | underlying the economic upside for those people who adopt these theories and promulgate them |
0:14.5 | in their own self-interest. Whether or not it's true, I happen to, I have my own feelings, |
0:18.4 | but whether or not you, you know, there's a lot of |
0:20.8 | resistance, shall we say, in part because of Elon Musk and our contemporary political environment |
0:25.1 | to the idea that racism persists or that it's being framed as this random evil and the spirits of |
0:31.1 | children that leftists want to project onto white people and that's inherently all these things. |
0:35.8 | But I think it's really important to underscores this extent to which there is an elite class, a wealthy affluent class at a time |
0:42.7 | in history where you're having the end of the colonial period. You have the Haitian revolution. |
0:48.2 | You have the American Civil War. You have radical shifts in geopolitics that are imperiling the dominant few, the people who have |
0:57.5 | been historically dominant. And as a consequence, and simultaneously, this is the other part, |
1:01.4 | I really was fascinating wanted to pick up on. The other part is that historically, you write, |
1:06.2 | there was no need to provide a moral rationale for poverty because there was scarcity. So to the |
1:14.8 | extent that there were poor people, it was framed as, well, that's just the way the world is |
1:18.6 | there isn't enough to go around. And there's no real threat to the majority. When you get to a point |
1:24.3 | where because of technological advances and science and all of the like, there is less scarcity. You can provide food, health care, whatever it is, electricity, |
1:34.1 | plumbing, clothes to the general population. And there is a refusal to do so, aka poverty |
1:40.9 | is a policy choice. You suddenly have to then justify your choice not to do so |
1:45.9 | by making claims about the bottom trash of our society. Right. Exactly. Yeah. The notion of the |
1:52.5 | undeserving poor and this underscoring of who merited public investments and in fact, |
1:57.1 | who merited rights was one of the kind of fundamental arguments of eugenesis, |
2:01.9 | was something that they started to introduce and experiment with and really tried to popularize |
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