I always say tariffs is the most beautiful word to me in the dictionary.

Then I was reprimanded by the fake news.

They said, what about love, religion, and God?

I said, I agree.

Let's put God number one.

Let's put religion number two.

Love, I don't know.

I got to put that number three, I guess, right?

And then it's tariff, because tariffs are gonna make us rich as hell. I'm still I'm still I'm so thrilled to have on the podcast today,

someone who can finally explain to me what's going on with these terror wars that have been going on.

We have Lori Wallach, who is the director of rethink trade at American Economics

Liberties Project and a senior advisor to the Citizens Trade Campaign. She comes highly recommended

to explain these issues through a labor populist lens, which is the kind of lens that we like to

hear about here on this podcast. So welcome to bad faith,

Lori. Thank you very much for including me. No, it really is my pleasure. We're talking on April 2nd,

which Donald Trump has labeled Liberation Day and is a day, as I understand it, where he's planning

to announce a suite of new tariffs

as part of what has been characterized as an ongoing tariff war, ratcheting up tensions

with countries that have historically been, countries that have historically been our allies,

Canada and Mexico. Now, the overarching sort of tenor from the mainstream liberal press about any tariffs coming

from Donald Trump, even prior to coming into office, was that they were default negative.

I was really interested to talk to you because at least in an interview prior to Trump

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