What does Cora Cepst do? Is it evil? No. It's fruitful. It multiplies. It feeds and protects

its children and it secures its future with violence if it must. It loves.

Welcome to the official podcast for HBO's original series The Last of Us. I am your host,

Troy Baker and I had the amazing opportunity to play Joel in the Last of Us video game.

But today I am here with the showrunners Craig Mason. Good to be back. And Neil Druckman.

Yay. And we are discussing a very special episode. Perhaps one of my favorites.

Episode eight titled When We Are In Need. Now, I thought you were going to say titled,

I'm in this way. That's why it's my favorite. It's my favorite for many, many reasons.

And I'm warning you now. This is as spoilery as it gets. So if you haven't watched the episode yet,

you're going to want to. This is a very different kind of cold open. For many reasons,

the image that we're given is very, very cold, bitter cold. And we hear something that up to this

point has been absent in this world. And that is scripture. Yeah. So we're here in a different

place and a different season. And this is one of those places where Neil and I discussed

how to expand the other. We've been doing this all season, looking at the other that in the game,

we see through a fixed perspective from Ellie. And okay, we don't have to. We can actually start on

the other side of it and present the other as humane. And with, in this case, the guy named David,

his own goals, his own community, he is a preacher. There are people clearly relying on him.

Things are not going well. He knows it. And he comforts a child. He comforts a little girl who's

about Ellie's age. Do you remember what comes next?

And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes. But there will be no more death.

Neither sorrow nor crying. Neither will there be any more pain. For the former things are passed away.

Do you know what that means?

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