This is Ashley Stone and you're listening to the Comeback Podcast.

Well, awesome. I am so excited to have you on the podcast. Treft, I actually watched his interview on your podcast. I saw him at Silicon Slopes and he told me about your podcast and I was just like,

oh my gosh, that's so cool. And so I listened to his episode and I thought it was awesome because he shared I mean just so many amazing little

nuggets in there he was sharing about how he went to that adolescent facility and I

loved it because I went to an adolescent facility for 15 months when I was 16 and oh my gosh that's way longer than his and I thought his was long.

Yeah so I mean that was kind of just like the start of a long journey of treatment centers for me, but,

yeah, I just, I thought it was so cool and I mean, just so many things stood out to me that like I'd love to like bring up right now but it's

okay I want to talk about you so well no I mean yeah feel free to talk about whatever

you want I think he would be a great interview. I do too and I tried to tell him and he said,

I don't do podcast. I was like, uh, why not? And he said that he made an exception for years?

Oh man, he is very nice to me. He's always been super supportive of whatever I've done.

And what's cool is I probably got more feedback from his episode than anyone else's.

Really? More messaging saying like I really relate to the way he thinks I really like can get like his perspective is my

perspective and they just felt like at home with him and so I think that's

funny that he says he won't do podcasts he's he's an effective teacher. He's a he's an effective teacher. He oh I sat at

Silicon Slopes with him for like literally three hours sitting there talking to

him and just one of the things he said on your podcast was I was telling him about how you know I'm so

busy like I work full-time I'm a mom I have the podcast and I was telling him about like church callings on top of all of this and

he said something about how when we're really when it's really a sacrifice and when you're really like pushed for like it's a

sacrifice for you because you are truly like stretched that is when true like

internal I don't know, refinement happens. And I am totally butchering this. He said it way more poetically than I can, but it was so profound for me and it was it's something that I will never forget because

I'm at a phase in my life where things are wild for me like I am so busy like we just moved I have all this stuff going on and that was

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