Welcome, everybody, to the Journey Conversations with publisher Chris Milligan. I am your co-host, Adam,

otherwise known as A.W. Finnegan. Today, we will be talking to Jay Dyer. Jay Dyer is an author,

comedian, and TV presenter known for his analysis of Hollywood, geopolitics, and culture, and co-writer for the Sam

Hyde show. His graduate work focused on psychological warfare and film, and he is the author

of two books, Esoteric Hollywood One and Two, with a third coming out, and the co-creator and co-host of the television show, Hollywood Decoded.

He has been featured on numerous popular shows and podcasts and in debates with some of the world's top debaters and a fill-in host for some of the largest U.S. radio shows.

And now, your host, publisher, Chris Milligan.

Thank you, Adam, very, very much. And thank you, Jay, for spending some time with us here.

You know, these are interesting times, to say the least, you know. A lot going on, a lot to look at. And, you know,

I guess I didn't realize your dissertation was about psychological warfare because, you know,

that's been one of a very main interest of mine ever since my daddy and a professor took me in a room and

blew my mind, told me stuff that it took me 20 years to understand, but led me on a

interesting path. So, Jay, psychological warfare, what got you interested in psychological warfare?

I didn't know what that was until probably college. I remember I'd watched a lot of

movies that I liked growing up in high school, and I remember, you know, enjoying Oliver Stone films and, you know, stuff like that.

And conspiracy movies like Dick Donner's conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson.

And I remember when I got to college, I took some classes on the connection between

Hollywood and the history of Hollywood.

So film classes as well as straight up history classes.

And I remember that coming up in some of the classes.

And then I remember somehow I got a hold to one of the trying day books back when I was

in undergrad.

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