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The terminus, like the end point of our conversation, our relationship is human communion.

Like we might traffic in goods and services, but you can't spend a whole life trafficking

in goods and services. Eventually you need to abide. Like you need to come home and you need to build

a home with other human beings, whether in the setting of the family or the polis or the religious

community or wherever. Like we are made to be with others, to think about the same things to love after the same manner,

to congregate around goods such that we can genuinely commune in those goods.

And I think that AI is just capable of kind of spinning off artifacts for our use.

It can actually supply for our enjoyment in that terminal sense

of human communion. And I think you can always tell when it's just use and when it doesn't

kind of give way to enjoyment. And I think that that need is perennial. And I don't care how good

the technology gets. I don't think that we're going to be satisfied with it.

Will you have the kind of Catholic that would make just like I just did like an enthusiastic sound in prayer that would like frighten people around you?

Sometimes, yeah. I refer to them as glory groans.

Didn't even know that you'd thought about it enough to have a name for it.

Yeah.

I'm so excited to have you in the studio.

I'm delighted to be here.

Choking on coffee.

I'm excited because I have a cigar and I have coffee.

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