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StoryCorps has been around for almost two decades.

And these recorded conversations are basically time capsules.

That was the case for this couple.

My name is Josh Van Antase. I am 29 years old.

Today is February 15th, 2009.

Gabriel McGowan, I'm 27 years old.

I'm in Los Angeles, California.

And Josh is my partner of 10 years.

When they came to StoryCorps, they talked about a lot that day, like their identities, their differences, and their love.

That was more than a decade ago.

And just recently, Gabriel reached out to us.

He wanted the recording, because Josh had died back in 2014.

And he wanted to hear his voice again.

But he also had another request.

I asked to do the updated recording because I don't want Josh's story and my story to be lost.

And there was so much that wasn't said at the time.

In this episode, we're going to hear some of that update.

And what we'll find is often things are much more complicated than they seem.

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