There were people that were busy, you know, very busy on the drug scene and on, and you

know, being gone around assaulting people and enforcing things, and that that goes on

every day, you know, that's not kid ourselves.

Very deprived and always have been deprived, never really rose above, you know, being the

most deprived wards in the country.

When you look at a murder case, it's a bigger version of an assault case, it's as simple

as that.

But the one thing I would say is that Lee Duffy was a criminal, you know, he was a criminal,

and we were dealing with the death of a criminal by another criminal.

Everywhere where I went, the papers, the radio, T-sads, it was massive, it was like everybody

knew in T-sad, it was a huge, huge thing.

I got caught by how one of the ICI houses in Birmingham, a guy hadn't been seen for a

while, an old guy, and went the front door and nothing looked in, couldn't really say

that he'd been sitting in front of the oven to keep warm.

So he was like toasted, unfortunately, bottom half toasted.

So I went upstairs, looked in the bedrooms, nothing in the bedrooms, went to the bathroom,

opened the bathroom, and what I can say is that we trapped some absolutely high level drug

dealers in the northeast and in nationally through the phone tab.

There's ways of enforcing the law, but you've got to have the numbers to actually do that.

But he said to me, he said, the job's totally changed.

He said, we are absolutely one of our feet.

So Ray Martin is a Sunderland fan and Sunderland get about 40,000 spectators and in the last

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