All right, welcome back to the podcast. I am joined today with resident psychiatrist Nicholas Fabiano. We all know he is out in Canada and has written extensively on mental health and exercise

and we have become friends we call out there to patient recently and on exercise and depression.

And also with us today is Brendan Stubbs PhD. PhD, he is one of the most prolific authors that I know and one of the top 1% of

prolific authors out there. He is approaching this as a true exercise

scientist who has not only ridden the papers that are the ones that I've

nerded out on in the past and previous episodes, but also

really changed the face of mental health and seeing exercise as something that is a real treatment that is necessary and something that we can get behind. So welcome to Vodgas.

Thank you for having us. All right, Nicholas, maybe we should start out with like why exercise?

That's a good question.

A lot of people ask that and kind of how

about fixing to the whole lens of mental health

and depression particularly.

So first I think it's important to define

the terms of exercise and physical activity.

So when we use the term physical activity,

that just refers to any movement that uses energy,

whereas exercise is more of that planned and structured form, and it's aimed at improving fitness.

And where that ties into mental health is that we know that oftentimes we put mental

health and physical health into two different bins, but that's not really fair to do because

we know how much they overlap.

So exercise has this unique ability to bolster both the physical and mental health of an individual.

And there's a lot of different mechanisms in terms of how people think that works.

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