Gordon, did you just like completely steal this idea from Alex Homosie?

Yes, as a matter of fact, yes I did.

What you are about to listen to isn't a ruin soup episode.

It's an episode of the Coffee and Divination podcast with Joanna Farah

that I appeared on.

And Joanna's a friend as well as an experienced practitioner across multiple disciplines.

So we had a really cool discussion about Tarot and L'Norman and Fortune Telling and

divination and all that cool stuff.

And it was sufficiently ruined soup for me to think,

you know what, I'm gonna,

I'm gonna put this out as a main episode.

And this is something I'm gonna start start doing not every time and obviously only

with permission which in this case I do have but I keep thinking back to

something that I've known since my proper job days in the media,

which is none of you pheasants, or at least not insufficient numbers click through.

So ordinarily I would just share this show and say, hey, I'm on the Coffee and Divination

podcast. It was a really cool

discussion check it out over here. The show notes below you will see have all those details anyway

so you can watch the video version and so on. But and to be honest I get it especially if you're driving and you're like, oh cool, here's an episode.

So you don't really have the time to go, well thanks Gordon, but now I've got to click through on my phone, through the show notes to someone else and I'm crossing five lanes of traffic here. I've been

day drinking, you know, the audience isn't great. So this time instead I'm going to make it easy for you and include Joanna's entire

podcast below. Well not below you're listening to it now once I jump across to it.

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