Ezra Klein On Why Trump’s Anti-Government Message Works

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Chris Cuomo

News, News Commentary, Politics, Government

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🗓️ 1 April 2025

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Ezra Klein ( columnist, The New York Times, podcast host “The Ezra Klein Show,” and co-author, “Abundance”) joins Chris Cuomo to explore why Americans have lost faith in liberal governance and what it will take to rebuild trust in public institutions. They discuss how government dysfunction, broken infrastructure, and media incentives have deepened polarization—and why Trump’s anti-government message is resonating. Cuomo and Klein also examine the failure of Democrats to articulate a vision of abundance, the impact of algorithm-driven media on political leadership, and how conspiracy thinking has filled the vacuum left by public disillusionment. Follow and subscribe to The Chris Cuomo Project on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube for new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday: https://linktr.ee/cuomoproject Join Chris Ad-Free On Substack: http://thechriscuomoproject.substack.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:33.1	But if you are a centrist, if you are a Democrat, if you are an independent, you've got to be
0:40.3	desperate for the ideas that'll get us to a better place in our politics.
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0:50.0	I'm Chris Cuomo.
0:50.9	Welcome to the Chris Cuomo Project, Ezra Klein. Okay? He is already, in my opinion,
0:57.2	top of class as a thought leader in the media. Left, sure, but I think there's a pragmatism to him
1:03.6	that doesn't get enough credit. His new book, Abundance that he does with Atlantic writer, Derek Thompson,
1:10.0	boy, oh boy, is it the antidote to stratification,
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