This is still processing. I'm Jenna Wortham.

I'm Wesley Morris. And Jenna, I have a confession.

Oh, I have not always loved Fiona Apple.

What? I'm sorry. What? You know what this week's episode is about.

Now it's true. I did not enjoy her. It started for me like it did for everybody else.

My relationship with this woman in 1996.

When she was a pretty popular recording artist out of nowhere. She was a teenager.

And she shows up. And she's singing these bluesy torch songs.

The first single off of her first album title is called Shadow Boxer.

And I'm like, I just started listening to Nina Simone at this point. And I'm like,

oh, man, please. This is not. I don't want this from you. If you don't have what it takes.

And then criminal happens. Now where were you when you first saw that video?

Listen, I'm not afraid to say it. I was a chunky teenager. So my little chunky butt would sit

down in front of the TV with the bag of Cheetos and I would watch these music videos.

And I definitely remember when criminal just kept playing.

Basically in the video, Fiona Apple is riding around in the floor. She's taking pictures of her

friends. She is very thin and taking off her clothes at some point. And she's in lingerie.

And do you remember that part? I mean, God, yes, who can forget it? That image of Fiona Apple

with the two braids crouched and hidden in the closet was just blazing across my young mind.

And the sad thing is, you know, I wanted to be in that drug you'd done with her.

And it was hard. It was, you know, I struggled with the popularity of that video because it also meant

the popularity of the aesthetic of that video, which was rail thin, really strung out looking

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