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The Good Fight

Francis Fukuyama on Trump 47

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 7 November 2024

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss what a Trump victory means for America, its allies, and the world. Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist, author, and the Olivier Nomellini Senior Fellow at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. Among Fukuyama’s notable works are The End of History and the Last Man and The Origins of Political Order. His latest book is Liberalism and Its Discontents. He is also the author of the “Frankly Fukuyama” column, carried forward from American Purpose, at Persuasion. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss how Trump’s 2024 victory repudiates the racial grievance theory of 2016; what a second Trump administration will mean for the rule of law at home and abroad; and the lessons the Democratic Party must learn from its defeat. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected]  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Well, I think the primary threat is really to the rule of law, that he's been very clear in the last few months and weeks that he's really out for revenge.

0:12.3

He wants to take revenge on all the people that he believes have been prosecuting him or persecuting him.

0:23.5

And I think that this is where schedule F really matters because he couldn't get his own Justice Department you know to

0:28.8

go after Hillary Clinton even though he wanted them to but you know he

0:33.3

understands that that was a weakness of his first term and I think he's going to

0:37.0

put people

0:38.2

in key positions in the Justice Department that will enable them to open up investigations.

0:46.5

And now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk.

0:58.8

My guest today is Francis Fukuyama.

1:04.9

Frank is a senior fellow at the Freeman Spogley Institute at Stanford University.

1:12.9

He is the under-end editor of American Purpose, which is now hosted on the Persuasion platform.

1:18.0

And he is, of course, one of the most important and influential political scientist and public intellectuals of our time.

1:21.6

Frank and I tried together to process Donald Trump's rather convincing electoral victory, trying to think about what caused Trump

1:33.7

to overperform and Democrats to underperform, trying to make sense of the extent to which

1:38.7

Trump will threaten democratic institutions, thinking through the impact that his presidency will have on international

1:48.7

relations and especially on democracies around the world, and discussing what it is that

1:55.2

opponents of Donald Trump can do now, what it is that they can do better than we did in 2016,

2:00.4

because it's quite clear

2:01.5

that we have in important ways failed.

2:05.9

In today's bonus material, we discuss how some of the interpretations that political scientists

2:10.9

have of the 2016 elections have turned out to be wrong.

2:15.3

We discuss how Democrats insistence on an

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