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We're always getting questions about how to manage screen time, so we know that Ben, a How-To listener, is in a situation you can relate to.

His fourth grade boys love their screen time.

So how can Ben help his kids form a healthy relationship with tech?

And how should their school come into play?

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Just before this call I was actually on the phone with a good friend of mine who's a principal of a school in

Philadelphia and he said we have to find a place between the Wild West and the yonder pouches.

Both of those extremes are not helpful, right?

Neither of those help prepare kids to thrive in a future digital world.

Welcome to How-To, I'm Courtney Martin. All right, so it's back to school season.

I don't know if your experiences like mine,

but I feel like I cannot get away from one conversation in particular.

It's a parent chit-chat during drop-off.

It's in the newspapers, not it's it's really everywhere and it seems like we're all asking

how far are we willing to go to keep our kids off of smartphones?

Schools are trying everything, right? Detention, suspension, they're sticking phones in those weird old yonder pouches that strike me

as very like dystopian novel.

Now this debate over kids and addictive screens

is nothing new, right?

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