So, fast forward to 08, I get hurt in Iraq and an IED, get a Purple Heart, Bureau of Navy Medicine has to sign a Purple Heart or approve it, and then all of a sudden the Bureau of Navy Medicine, like, shows up at the command at Dev Group and they're like,

well where's this fro heart? I was actually climbing to Nolly. So I finished Iraq and

went our lead climbers went out,

we did a climb up to Nolly.

And I called my wife on the sat phone,

and she's like, the command called me today,

and the Navy's here, and you have to get out, whatever, whatever and I'm like what are you talking about?

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I've got Eric Frohart, retiredired Navy Seal? Can I call your retired Navy Seal?

Yeah. Technically, medically retired, I suppose.

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