Hello and welcome back to Drilled. I'm Amy Westervelt.

Today I have with me the co-host of a new podcast called Fuel to Fork, Anna Lepe and Matthew

Kessler. And I wanted to have them on because their podcast talks about an issue that does not

get enough attention and that is the connection between

food and climate change. And I don't just mean meat and climate change. I mean the entire

food system, how we grow food, how we produce and ranch meat, how we ship things around, how we

package things, and the direct connection between

that and the fossil fuel industry and also emissions. Something that came up a lot in our conversation

was how emissions sometimes get talked about with respect to the feud system, but we don't talk

enough about inputs. And by that, I mean fertilizers and herbicides,

many of which are made with petrochemicals.

I mean packaging, which is mostly made of plastic,

which again is made from either petroleum

or from a byproduct of the natural gas refining process.

There are lots of other examples too

that both Matthew and Anna get into,

along with all kinds of other things. It was a fascinating conversation. I learned a lot,

and I hope you will too. That's coming up after this quick break.

I'm Anna Lape. I'm the executive director of the Global Alliance for the Future of Food.

I'm Matthew Kessler. I'm a podcaster and science communicator at Table based at the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences. Awesome. What a cool job, Matthew. Title is a little bit made up.

Okay, so I want to first have you guys kind of introduce this podcast project that you've been

working on and tell us a little bit about, you know, what it is and

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