During their time at Daystar, former Daystar Vice President Jonathan Lamb and his wife, Susie Lamb,

say they were spiritually abused by Jonathan's mother, Daystar President Joni Lamb, and her close ally,

Jimmy Evans. Jimmy is the founder of Exo Marriage and Tipping Point Ministries.

And what you're about to hear is stunning audio from a meeting between Jimmy Evans,

Joni Lamb, and Jonathan and Susie. Welcome to a special edition of the Roy's Report,

a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. I'm Julie Roy's. And what you're about to

hear is one of the most stunning examples of spiritual abuse that I've ever witnessed. According to

author Remy Diedrich, spiritual abuse happens when people use God or their supposed relationship with God

to control people for their benefit. And in this video, Joni Lamb is upset because Jonathan and Susie refused to read a listener

comment praising her recent marriage to sex therapist Doug Weiss.

So she brings in her ally, Jimmy Evans, and for 90 minutes they tell Jonathan and Susie

to submit to Joni, claiming she's the voice of God and that together

they're representatives of God. When the couple resists, Joni says they're living in rebellion

and they'll bring a curse on themselves and their kids. In the interest of transparency,

we're releasing the full audio, which was recorded July 11th, 2023.

I was so mad and angry that I was going to see a terrible

I needed time to think about it so I didn't respond and I called you and I called two other ministers

and I called a prophetic person

that they all respect.

That has kind of walked through your journey with me

but you've been the main ones know everything.

So I called you

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