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This is five live boxing.

Now Frank Warren, he knows Tyson Fury better than just about anybody in boxing.

Is his promoter?

Is his friend? He's been around him. He's seen Fury struggle. He's seen Fury succeed.

He's seen the highs and wait for it. He's seen the lows. Now as part of the build-up to Saturday's undisputed heavyweight championship fight,

the first by the way in 25 years, I sat down with the Queensbury boss.

Here's Frank Warren on the life and times of the Gypsy King. I'm Steve Bunce and this is a very special five life boxing.

Frank Tyson Fury and Alexander Usick is the fight that obviously everyone wants to talk about.

It's going to be everything we do this entire week is going to be about that. But I want to take you back to whenever it was in

2016 or 17 when it was clear to you that Tyson Fury had lost his way and that we might have lost him for good

when he was 26 27 stone when he was having all sorts of problems did you

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