Hi everyone this is Brine Brown and welcome to it's a mash-up it it's a collab, it's between Dare to Lead and Unlocking

S. We're gonna drop this podcast, I so desperately want you to hear it. We're dropping

it in both feeds. It's the crossover. It's like when, when I don't know I'm probably going to

give me ferris laughing at me already y'all but back in the day it was always such a big

deal when like Fred and Wilma Flintstone showed up on like Scooby-Doo or one of the

characters did a crossover with the other this is that and I'm so glad that you're here for it.

It's the fifth episode in a series that we're doing about, I call it living beyond

human scale, the possibilities, the cost, and the role of community.

And when I say living beyond human scale, I go back to this quote by John Cabot,

Zeny you'll hear in the podcast, too.

His definition of overwhelm, which I think is so beautiful, is the world in my life

are unfolding at a speed that my nervous system and my psyche can't manage. And to me living beyond human scale is

everything from social media, AI, 24-hour news, bringing us really traumatic, violent stories from every corner of the world right now.

And so this, the point of this series for me, really to be honest with you, it's super personal, is to try to get to the place where we can actually inhale.

Just, okay, like what's happening, what do I need to understand to be less afraid we're using you know if you

listen to the podcast with as Craig Watkins I hope you do like he is a scholar

who studied AI, UT, Austin, and MIT.

He's got a joint appointment at MIT as well.

And he called me out halfway through the podcast

and said, you know, this is not unusual unusual but you've said scary like 20 times and so this is a

podcast series about things that seem very scary to me and if there's anything I've learned over the past 25 years of my work

it's turned toward what's scary and look it in the eye and try to understand it and

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