Hello and welcome back to drilled I'm Amy Westerbelt.

Last week was Climate Week in New York,

and I went for the first time, actually.

The main reason I was there was to do a panel

with Bill McKibbin and Kendra Pierre Louis moderated by Genevieve Gunther on the language of climate

politics which is also the subject and title of Genevieve's new book. In it she looks at the dominant

narratives around climate policy and politics and whittles it down to six key words that just keep showing up over and over again.

Each chapter is devoted to one of those words and offers a deep dive into how that word and the narrative it's attached to became so dominant,

how it's been weaponized to block climate policy, and what kind of messaging you could use to combat it.

I got to sit down with Genevieve after our panel as well and talk about the book,

why it's made some people so mad on the internet, and a lot more.

After the break, you'll hear her reading from a bit of the book, and then we're going to have that conversation

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