You're listening to the Hard Men Podcast, reclaiming biblical masculinity in a world of softness.

Well, welcome to the Hard Men Podcast. I am your host Eric Kahn. Today I'm joined by a special

guest. We have Mike M. Williams with us. Mike lists himself on Facebook as a Christian servant warrior, a husband, a father, a

grandfather, a veteran, a police officer, and a chaplain, Mike, it's good to have you with us today.

Well, it's honor to be here with you.

I'm happy to help in you where I can.

Absolutely.

So you list two things on your Facebook page.

You're both the executive director and the chaplain at the

Centurion law enforcement ministry and you're an officer and criminal

investigator at the Colorado State and municipal law enforcement agencies

tell us just a little bit about both of those things and municipal law enforcement agencies.

Tell us just a little bit about both of those things and what you do.

So I'm an active state, I'm an active police officer in

state of Colorado.

I've been in law enforcement now for 33 years and then I am my full-time position as a criminal

investigator detective, whatever you want to title you want to use but officially it's a criminal investigator for the state of

Colorado but that's my from a biblical perspective that's my tenant-making job and then

on a part-time basis on a secondary full-time basis,

I'm also a police chaplain,

and I'm the executive director of the

of the Centurion Law Enforcement Ministry,

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