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slash UK slash AI for people. I think when you're 30, it's the same. You go, okay, I'm not the

enjunu anymore. Okay, I can't rely on that sort of like, hey, wafy feeling.

But then I'm not here and I'm not there.

I'm not the Grand Dame and there's a lot of pressure.

I'm Carly Zakin and I'm Danielle Weisberg.

Welcome to 9 to 5-ish with the skin.

We've run into so many questions over the years and had so many moments where we needed advice,

and we got it from women who'd been there.

And that's what we're bringing you at this show.

Each week, we're helping you get what you want out of your career by talking to the smartest

leaders we know.

Because we know your

work life is a lot more than nine to five. All right, let's get into it. Hi, everyone. Today,

our guest is Jerry Hollowell Corner. She's now an author, but you might recognize her from her

days as Ginger Sp spice from the spice

girls and if you don't i don't know you because carly and i have been obsessed with the spice girls

and ginger spice for forever at first concert my very first concert with my cousin and we dressed out

oh wow so back in her 20s, Jerry answered a very important magazine ad,

looking for members to join an all-girl pop group.

She nailed the audition and got to join the original band,

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