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🗓️ 13 February 2025
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0:00.0 | Welcome to the Empire Files. There's a very important new international legal effort to hold Israel accountable for its genocide in Gaza. |
0:12.0 | I'm joined by Varsha Gandhi-Kota, chair of the Hague Group, and Crispin Piri, spokesperson for the Foreign Minister of South Africa. |
0:20.0 | Thank you so much, both of you for joining me on the Empire Files. |
0:24.1 | Varsha, talk about what the Hay Group is and why it was formed. |
0:27.1 | Yeah, the hay group, really the conversations around it began at the one-year mark |
0:31.1 | of the genocide against the Palestinian people with this recognition that surely, surely |
0:36.6 | this could not possibly still be going on. |
0:40.1 | As one of the lawyers in the South African case of the ICJ said, |
0:44.3 | this is the first genocide in history where its victims are broadcasting their destruction |
0:49.8 | to our phones and televisions in real-time live. |
0:53.2 | And still, a year in, we saw the same continuing |
0:56.8 | and, in fact, having accelerated to unimaginable levels. |
1:01.6 | And in response, every time there's been a plea, a demand, |
1:05.6 | we've seen no response, right? |
1:07.2 | There's no point asking the United States to do something |
1:10.1 | that we know it will not to. There's no point issuing the United States to do something that we know it will not do. There's |
1:11.7 | no point issuing letters and demands to the Israeli government to do things that we know it will not do. |
1:17.0 | So surely as the world, we had to find other ways to respond that also went beyond our existing |
1:23.7 | international institutions because we tried using them. We tried using the International Court of Justice getting a ruling that does rule that the last many decades of Israel's |
1:32.3 | occupation of Palestine is blatantly legal and sets out specific legal obligations of every state |
1:38.4 | in order to ensure the end of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. And still, we've seen no response. We've seen a brazen |
1:46.4 | defiance from multiple European nations. We see the ruling from the International Criminal Court |
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