Do you believe there will be another pandemic where there is something that's much worse?

I don't know. I think that it's very easy to predict disasters. People, you know,

there's going to be a meat truck hits the earth. There's going to be an atomic explosion. There's

going to be. And by and large, from my own experience, and I've lived for 73 years,

you know, we got through the cold war, we got through the massive arsenal of weaponry,

we basically had a very good world that had a very, very good 70 years. And the fact is,

is that things are better now than they've ever been before. They may be. I would actually hope

that this will be a, for like a dress rehearsal for smartening up. And you know, we need to start

thinking a little bit more about, a little bit less about ourselves, a little bit, maybe a little

bit less focused about likes on social media, more about the real life. It was a, it was a thing

that we were sort of drifting into a time when, you know, automation would take over all the work,

we would be unemployed, people would live forever. And that no longer seems so likely. And it's

a good thing it's not because there's an awful lot of people for whom that wouldn't have been

the model. That was the model for the, you know, top 1%. And I think we need to flatten our

societies a bit because societies that have massive inequalities are not really healthy places.

It's interesting that in Europe, the two most sort of egalitarian societies are Iceland and

Ireland. And they have, this is usually measured by something called the, the, the genie index.

And the genie index for those two are really, really good. Other places are not nearly so good,

then you get to Brazil and Brazil is the worst in the world. But Brazil is about probably 10 times

less equal in terms of the richest of the poorest than Iceland and Ireland. And that has an effect.

If you live in a country where they're divorced, this proportionality, it leads to

instabilities. And I think what we're seeing in the United States is a kind of instability.

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