This episode includes discussions of murder. Consider this when deciding how and when you'll listen.

Sometimes criminals are the ones you'd least suspect, the ones you never see coming. This was true for Helen Goulet and Olga Rudershmidt.

To everyone around them, they were just two older women with a pension for fitness classes.

But the truth was they planned, they plotted, and they pulled off a crime that was almost perfect.

At least they would have gotten away with it.

But then, greed got the better of them.

And like all the best criminals,

they turned on each other.

This is Serial Killers, a Spotify podcast.

I'm Janice Morgan.

You might recognize me as the voice behind the investigative

docu-series Broken and the true crime podcast Fear Thy Neighbor. I'm guest hosting for Serial

Killers and I'm thrilled to be here. You can find us here every Monday. Be sure to check us out on

Instagram at Serial Killers podcast and we'd love to hear from you. So if you're listening

on the Spotify app, swipe up and give us your thoughts. Last time, we covered how Helen Goulet and

Olga Rutterschmidt became fast friends after meeting at an L.A. gym. They bonded over small-time

scams and frivolous lawsuits before devising a more sinister scheme.

In the late 90s, they took out life insurance policies on an innocent man and killed him.

Today, we'll see the duo strike again and hear how the LAPD and insurance companies banded together to track them down.

Stay with us.

Do you want to hear something spooky?

Some monster, it reminded me of Bigfoot.

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