Welcome to The Ethical Entrepreneur. My name is Joe Coleman. I'm a freelance audio producer,

marketer, and the host of this podcast. Today I talk with Michael Gormley. Michael is a speaker,

podcaster, and marketer. He balances multiple gigs as a marketing manager for Petrus Roofing,

a speaker for Paradisius Day,

and the host of multiple podcasts, including Catching Foxes,

a podcast I've produced since early 2023.

Michael and I talk about his

background as a speaker,

credentialism in the nonprofit world,

and how to improve

your communication skills.

Thanks for listening.

Gomer or Michael Gormley, thank you for being on the podcast.

Thank you for having.

Man, do you, I know you've been called Gomer for a long time, but are there still, I imagine your wife calls you, Michael.

I imagine she might.

Not originally.

She was a Gomer.

Originally. When did, when did she? your wife calls you Michael. I imagine she might. Not originally. She was a gomer originally.

When did, uh, names only? When did she kind of convert to calling you by your first name? And was that when you knew she was into you?

Yeah. Uh, I'm trying to think there, there was a moment that it happened where she's like, I think I should start calling you Michael or Mike.

But she rarely ever does. Like she were, yeah.

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