Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs.

Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business with easy customizable themes that let you build your brand.

Marketing tools that get your products out there. Integrated shipping solutions that actually save you time.

From startups to scaleups, online, in person, and on the go. Shopify is made for

entrepreneurs like you. Sign up for your $1 a month trial at Shopify.com slash setup.

Happy Easter to you. I can't give you the full Good Friday show. It is Eric here. The way national

music laws work because the music is embedded

into the actual show today. Normally we separate those two out so you can otherwise get the show.

I can't actually give you the Good Friday show. I'll try to get it edited up and cut out as much

the music as possible to be able to make it deliverable. But most of you are going to want the Tim Keller

conversation. So here now, to want the Tim Keller conversation.

So here now, my conversation with Tim Keller, have a happy Easter.

Joining me by phone is the, can I say ever great, Tim Keller?

I know your works means so much to so many people.

Oh, my goodness, no.

You can't do that at all. We should have, we should have talked about this beforehand. Though I'm very happy that I'm even, you know, even at this stage of my life,

I'm still able to write, yes. Well, you know, you're, I hate to write books and people tell me

you need to write another book. I'm like, no, it's a painful experience for me.

And then I read your books and I kind of get jealous because I'm like, man, he streams words

together as I write for a living and you're just, you're so good at it in every book that you

write. And this one, for those who don't know, it hopes in time, hope and times of fear.

It's, I was from the introduction to the last page, I was captivated.

...