Good Reasonable People with Keith Payne

Here's Where It Gets Interesting

Sharon McMahon

Government, History, Storytelling, Education

4.9 • 15.1K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2024

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Why do we tend to feel like ideas coming “our side” are good, and ones coming from the “other side” are bad, even if they are the same exact ideas? Keith Payne, professor of psychology and neuroscience at UNC and author of “Good Reasonable People,” breaks down why we see the world so differently—especially in the world today. He dives into how our backgrounds shape our beliefs and why throwing facts at someone rarely changes their mind. Keith offers advice on how to have more meaningful conversations with friends and family when political disagreements arise. Credits: Host and Executive Producer: Sharon McMahon Supervising Producer: Melanie Buck Parks Audio Producer: Craig Thompson To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:32.4	Hello, friends. Welcome. Delighted to have you with me today. My guest is somebody that I think
0:38.9	you're going to love hearing from. His name is Keith Payne, and he is the author of a book called
0:44.4	Good, Reasonable People, The Psychology Behind America's Dangerous Divide. And, man, let's just dive right in in because there's a lot to unpack. I'm Sharon
0:58.4	McMahon. And here's where it gets interesting. Keith, thank you for being here today. I am really
1:05.5	excited for this conversation. Thanks so much for having me. You've written a book called Good
1:10.2	Reasonable People. And man, sometimes it seems like there are not that many good reasonable people on the inner webs, Keith. Al Gore's internet is not full of good reasonable people. But why is that? Is it because our perspective doesn't allow us to see others as good and reasonable
1:29.8	when they have different views than ours? Why are there so seemingly few good, reasonable people
1:35.6	out there today? Well, the title of the book isn't claiming that everybody's good and reasonable
1:40.1	people. Let me put that out there right at the beginning. We're not claiming that everyone's good and reasonable, but somehow in our own eyes, we always insist on seeing ourselves as good and reasonable people. And we insist on seeing the groups that we belong to as good and reasonable people too. And once you start from that assumption that I'm good and the people who belong to my groups are also good, then it sets up the context in which we find ourselves today in which no matter what one group says, the other doesn't seem to hear them. And we bring out the worst in each other. So me insisting that I'm
2:20.7	writing good and you insisting that you're writing good and we have a different opinion about
2:25.1	some big, salient, important political issue. Both of us must think the other one must be stupid
2:31.3	or evil or too stubborn to look at the facts. That's the situation that I wanted to
2:37.3	explore in the book. In many of our minds, it is a zero-sum game. In order for me to be good and
2:43.3	reasonable, you must be evil and unreasonable. In order for me to view myself in this way, you must therefore be all of the
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