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Research Fellow at Hillsdale College and senior fellow at the Claremont

Institute. His articles have appeared in Claremont Review, Modern Age, National Review, and many

other places. His new book is The Soul of Politics, Harry Jaffa and the Fight for America.

That is our topic today. Welcome, Dr. Elmer's.

Thank you. Thank you. Great to be here, Mark.

Well, first, generally, who was Harry Jaffa?

So, Harry Jaffa was a longtime professor at Claremont McKinnock College.

He was the intellectual founder, really, of the Claremont Institute,

which was founded by some of the

students in the 1970s, prolific author. He's probably known best as a Lincoln scholar. He wrote

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